he's a former fbi agent. i don't know what he was doing on the island. it is tempting for the iranian authorities to use him as a bargaining chip in various negotiations with us. >> but they haven't, at least, publicly, they are denying that they have him. although the u.s. government now believes that they have him. why wouldn't they say, we have him and we want -- lift the sanctions on such and such woo and we will give you bok levinson. >> i think they may. i wouldn't give the iranian government credit for being completely coherent in how they handle these things. they find this guy, an ex-fbi agent, maybe they didn't want to admit it for a lot of reasons, with some of the smuggling activities he may have been investigating. i think they have a problem that they are trying to figure out how to turn to their advantage. >> do you think we are doing enough to get him back. >> clearly not. this is five or six years gone by. we can't get a straight statement from the iranian authorities. no surprise there. you can't get straight statements from them on a l